Friday, September 2, 2011

Assuming comment from my visit to the abortion clinic

"Why did you just stop this couple having an abortion and then wave them off? Why didn't you offer to to adopt the baby after the lady had it?
Because they probably had a very good reason for wanting an abortion: maybey they had no money, maybey they just knew thhey couldn't cope with the demands of another child. If you make it your business to stop women having abortions, its definitly your business to offer an alternative solution which doesn't involve them keeping the baby.Obviously, since your faith helps you appreaciate the wonder of new life, yuo should be the one to take the baby. You neglected that part of your Christian duty, i am sad to say :( " -Lisa

Lisa, thanks for commenting and for reading my post on my first visit to the abortion clinic. A "very good reason" for wanting an abortion is not having money? Are you kidding me?! So let me rephrase what you are saying, It's okay to murder a baby in the womb because you have no money. Is that right? And, what you are also saying is that, It's okay to murder a baby in the womb because you can't cope with the demands of another child.

These are not good reasons for murder.

Finish this sentence for me, Lisa...."It's okay to kill a baby in the womb when?"

Please comment. I want to hear back from you.

Where do you get the notion that we "waved" them off? Where you there? Did I ever mention that we "waved" them off in my post? We provided an adoption alternative for their child. This is what we do with each person before they go into the clinic (that is if they will allow us). After Guadalupe walked out and jumped in the car, they drove off and didn't want to talk to us. We thought they were going to stop and that we would be able to talk to them further but that wasn't the case.

However, the good news is that they had information in their hands on how to find us, how to get their child adopted, and most importantly how to be reconciled to God.

Have you been reconciled to God, Lisa?

I appreciate you caring about my "Christian duty".... It is also my duty to tell you of the judgment to come.

Have you considered where you will go if tonight was your last?

If you have never thought about where you will go when you die...now is the time to do so. The bible tells us that life is like a vapor. Think about it. Your life appears for a little while and then it's gone.

Where will you spend all eternity when your life here on earth is over?

Think about it. The ultimate statistic is that 33 people out of 33 people die! That means you won't escape death. No one will. And eternity is a long time. In fact, just think, it's forever and never ends. There is no time in eternity.

Have you ever looked at yourself according to how God see's you? If not, here's what to do, evaluate yourself by the 10 Commandments to see how you measure up to God's standard of righteousness. This is what made things clear for me...

Have you ever lied (even once--fibs, white lies, etc.)? Have you ever stolen (the value is irrelevant)? Jesus said, "Whoever looks upon a woman to lust after her, has committed adultery already with her in his heart." Have you ever looked with lust? If you have said "Yes" to these three questions (by your own admission), you are a lying, thieving, adulterer at heart; and we've only looked at three of the Ten Commandments.

The bible gives us surety in the New Testament, "that no fornicator (a person who has sex outside of marriage), unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God." Ephesians 5: 5

Have you put God first in your life? Or have you created a false god to suit yourself; a god you feel comfortable with? If God judges you by that standard will you be innocent or guilty on the Day of Judgment? If you're honest and listen to your conscience you know that you will be guilty, and end up in Hell.

The reality of that should strike terror in your heart!

But wait, Lisa, listen to this...

There is good news.

God Himself made a way for sinners to be forgiven...Listen to this...

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." (John 3:16). Jesus Christ was fully God and fully man and was without sin. He suffered and died on the cross and then He rose from the dead, defeating death. You broke the Law and Jesus paid the fine with His precious blood for sinners! Today, here's what to do, confess your sins to God, repent (turn) from your sins, put your trust in Jesus to save you from eternal damnation, and you will pass from death to life. Only through Christ can God forgive you and grant you the gift of everlasting life.

Turn from your sins today.

23 comments:

Azou said...

"It's okay to kill a baby in the womb when?"

When the mother doesn't wish to carry to term.

Well that was easy.

psi-phi? c eye2eye... said...

Namaste Trish!
The fact that every abortion is a tragedy is undeniable.

But the issue you talk to here, is not the death of a baby, but your own.

Yes, you & I, & all of us will die one day, maybe tomorrow.

To die is indeed 33/33 guranteed to happen, & if I had a choice I would want to leave this mortal coil with as much of my dignity upheld as I am able.

I feel the greater dignity is to be found in Love.

To live a life in fear of one's inevitable death, as a 'merciful' god threatens to cast you to eternal hell, for an ever changing grab-bag list of sins (feel free to debate on this list of sins with me), is in a way even more tragic.

Also somewhat undignified (in my humble opinion).

Choose life Trish!

Don't get lost on the abortion canard; yes canard.

Abortion opposition is a righteousness that some people hide behind, to make it look like they're doing something 'big'; a 'safe' cause to support.

And worth fighting for to a degree as, I reiterate, every one lost is a tragedy!

But its a given that EVERYONE also agrees it would be great if there was no need/want for abortion. No one supports abortion directly, except in your right to have one as a last resort.

But there it is, & that's life.

However, the greater injustice is the starving billions on Earth- the 30,000 children EVERY DAY who die a preventable death. The 900,000+ every month, & the 10 million+(?) every year!

Many Christian charities do excellent work in that field.

I would suggest you sign up the energy you obviously have to maintain a blog to this great service to the glory of God. After a time you will come to know the precious blessing that is every vulnerable child...as it dies in YOUR arms.

But the humility that comes with this horrid experience, & with this knowledge, will strengthen your resolve to resist the forces that allow this BIGGEST of injustices to occur.

Almost every death preventable, all but a pawn in the game of money, greed, power & status.

Resist that demonic force Trish, & you will truly be doing the 'good' work, both for humanity & to the service of God.

This is a dignified life.

This was the example of Jesus on how to lead a life of Love, & is mainly what he preached upon. Help the needy, heal the sick, feed the poor, challenge the self serving powers that be.

Show me one reference to abortion in the Gospels of the Apostles. Are there any? - I don't know.

Peace & love to you.

Amen.

pSi-pHi :-)

p.s. I just came across your blog here randomly, by using 'Next Blog' from my own.

Thanks for being a sounding board at the very least, even if my words have no resonance for you. They are but mere words...

lawgrace77 said...

Beautiful post!

Fish With Trish said...

Lisa, you said, "Why did you just stop this couple having an abortion and then wave them off? Why didn't you offer to to adopt the baby after the lady had it?
Because they probably had a very good reason for wanting an abortion: maybey they had no money, maybey they just knew thhey couldn't cope with the demands of another child. If you make it your business to stop women having abortions, its definitly your business to offer an alternative solution which doesn't involve them keeping the baby.Obviously, since your faith helps you appreaciate the wonder of new life, yuo should be the one to take the baby. You neglected that part of your Christian duty, i am sad to say :( "

Lisa, thanks for commenting and for reading my post on my first visit to the abortion clinic. A "very good reason" for wanting an abortion is not having money? Are you kidding me?! So let me rephrase what you are saying, It's okay to murder a baby in the womb because you have no money. Is that right? And, what you are also saying is that, It's okay to murder a baby in the womb because you can't cope with the demands of another child.

These are not good reasons for murder.

Finish this sentence for me, Lisa...."It's okay to kill a baby in the womb when?"

Please comment. I want to hear back from you.

Where do you get the notion that we "waved" them off? Where you there? Did I ever mention that we "waved" them off in my post? We provided an adoption alternative for their child. This is what we do with each person before they go into the clinic (that is if they will allow us). After Guadalupe walked out and jumped in the car, they drove off and didn't want to talk to us. We thought they were going to stop and that we would be able to talk to them further but that wasn't the case.

However, the good news is that they had information in their hands on how to find us, how to get their child adopted, and most importantly how to be reconciled to God.

Fish With Trish said...

Have you been reconciled to God, Lisa?

I appreciate you caring about my "Christian duty".... It is also my duty to tell you of the judgment to come.

Have you considered where you will go if tonight was your last?

If you have never thought about where you will go when you die...now is the time to do so. The bible tells us that life is like a vapor. Think about it. Your life appears for a little while and then it's gone.

Where will you spend all eternity when your life here on earth is over?

Think about it. The ultimate statistic is that 33 people out of 33 people die! That means you won't escape death. No one will. And eternity is a long time. In fact, just think, it's forever and never ends. There is no time in eternity.

Have you ever looked at yourself according to how God see's you? If not, here's what to do, evaluate yourself by the 10 Commandments to see how you measure up to God's standard of righteousness. This is what made things clear for me...

Have you ever lied (even once--fibs, white lies, etc.)? Have you ever stolen (the value is irrelevant)? Jesus said, "Whoever looks upon a woman to lust after her, has committed adultery already with her in his heart." Have you ever looked with lust? If you have said "Yes" to these three questions (by your own admission), you are a lying, thieving, adulterer at heart; and we've only looked at three of the Ten Commandments.

The bible gives us surety in the New Testament, "that no fornicator (a person who has sex outside of marriage), unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God." Ephesians 5: 5

Have you put God first in your life? Or have you created a false god to suit yourself; a god you feel comfortable with? If God judges you by that standard will you be innocent or guilty on the Day of Judgment? If you're honest and listen to your conscience you know that you will be guilty, and end up in Hell.

The reality of that should strike terror in your heart!

But wait, Lisa, listen to this...

There is good news.

God Himself made a way for sinners to be forgiven...Listen to this...

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." (John 3:16). Jesus Christ was fully God and fully man and was without sin. He suffered and died on the cross and then He rose from the dead, defeating death. You broke the Law and Jesus paid the fine with His precious blood for sinners! Today, here's what to do, confess your sins to God, repent (turn) from your sins, put your trust in Jesus to save you from eternal damnation, and you will pass from death to life. Only through Christ can God forgive you and grant you the gift of everlasting life.

Turn from your sins today.

Lori Williams said...

Very well put Trish....there is always an option by carrying a baby to term. Always. Thank you for presenting both sides of the witnessing encounter and the follow up. I too pray for the many that will justify abortion for whatever means suits their situation.
Continue to press on! We support you.

Azou said...

To further explain: children cost money. If you cannot afford a child, you are going to be raising it in poor conditions. This will also put the brakes on whatever ladder you were climbing at work due to having to sacrifice work for childcare.

You may shrilly scream "Adopt!" but there's this thing called PREGNANCY, which means you'll be missing work regardless of whether or not you keep the child. Yes, most places offer maternity leave. But business prey on the ignorant, and will look for loopholes to get rid an employee eating up resources. Heartless, but it happens.

People are different. Some will gladly sacrifice for the benefit of a child. Others feel they are not ready yet for childhood, and will opt to abort. Neither of these decisions are made lightly, and a woman should have the freedom to make this decision.

Mr. Answers said...

Important to remember here is that when people attempt to see themselves as God sees them (by using the 10 commandments as a standard), human interpretation is at work. God's 10 Commandments are pillars to Truth, to be sure, but we must not forget that we as human play a part in how they are interpreted and applied to one's own life. There's is no such thing as a perspective-less perspective; each perspective, although coming from God's hand, has pass through the lens of humans, and as such, a human interpretation cannot be the same as God's.

Taxandrian said...

It's an ironic fact that those who are opposed to abortion are often the same who are in favor of abstinence-only sex education and opposed to any kind of anticonception. This while it stands to reason that if there are less unwanted pregnancies there are less abortions...

mirele said...

Blergh. The way you approached your non-Christian commenter, Trish, has shown me yet again that I made the best decision of my life when I chose to walk away from God, Jesus, Christianity and church. I don't need the kind of fear and unhappiness you're trying to sell to your readers in the guise of salvation. I'd rather go to hell than spend the rest of my life in fear that I might not be thinking the right thoughts and doing the right things for a god who can't seem to get it straight for us humans.

Wiola said...

Child abuse and child neglect is what some parents will resort to when they are not capable of taking care of a child. So I hope you can live with that, Trish. Also I guess a thank you is in order here. After all, you give us - social workers, a mess to clean up. I mean, we didn't have enough to do already. So thank you for abused children.

Wiola said...

Lori, always? Ever heard of women and girls dying in confinement? I guess not.

Kiwi said...

A fetus is not a baby. It is an insentient hunk of tissue and the thinking, breathing person whom it must leech off of to stay alive has every right to refuse to incubate it.

Taxandrian said...

Trish,

How do you think women who have had an abortion should be punished? By death penalty or imprisonment for life?

Whateverman said...

Finish this sentence for me, Lisa...."It's okay to kill a baby in the womb when?"

When God wants the baby killed.

BaldySlaphead said...

According to your philosophy - so-called abortion is no more or less a sin than various other things (including but not limited to having lustful thoughts about someone, which is supposedly the same as adultery, even thought it obviously isn't, and having hateful thoughts about someone, which is supposedly the same as murder, even thought it obviously isn't) and every human being is guilty of at least one of these so-called sins which all attract the same sadistic punishment of eternal torture.

You also believe that an aborted zygote will go to heaven on account of the fact that it has not reached the age of accountability (even though this is a justification pulled out of thin air to try and get around the entirely obvious appalling injustice of the system you advocate).

Given these beliefs, given both result in the woman responsible going to hell, it is better for a woman to abort a fetus than it is for her to lust after someone since the abortion at least results in an additional soul in Heaven.

Alternatively, your belief system is nuts.

Thomas Louw said...

Clearly some commenter’s on this blog is indoctrinated by their own biased.
Being selfish has become our way of life. We always think of ourselves and the ever yearning for more.
If something or something gets in our way we get rid of it, if it should be a baby, why the hell not.
Seeing an unborn baby as a lump of tissue is, just being uninformed. Use Google and very fast you will run into some very graphic pictures of how this “lumps of tissue” looks like.
Now, saying that we are creating work for social workers because we tell people not to abort (kill).
So you would rather have some one murdered than neglected?
Then there is the thinking that the pregnancy would get into the way of the persons career. As far as I know your work is protected by law if you fall pregnant. Further more if you give the child up for adoption you shouldn’t be off work for more than a week. So basically you are saying kill someone because he makes you puke, feel a bit under the weather and gives you a big belly.
Some food and a lot of booze will do exactly the same. Do you shoot the cook and the bar tender, I think not?
So kill someone because feeding and housing another mouth will seriously impact you spendable income. So do you kill you completion or step up to the plate and do a better job?
It is always desirable to prevent something before it happens, so don’t sleep around get married first. That will solve a lot of problems. Secondly use contraception silly.
But, now you are pregnant and you x-partner is a dead beat. Take him to court get him to pay his keep. Or are you saying if you’re too lazy to go through all that just kill.
Just carried the kid the full term and then give up for adoption.
There are so many aspects and solutions.
Just don’t be lazy.

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Taxandrian said...

@Thomas Louw:

If a child is aborted, does it go to Heaven? Please motivate your answer.

noah buddy said...

The evangelical movement is known to take a simple medical procedure and blow it out of proportion for a rather sinister agenda.

This agenda, is the control of women, and to relegate them to the role of brood-mare, makes them a second-class citizen. It is a form of slave-labor.

And here is the proof;

It's okay to terminate a pregnancy when...

When the health of the pregnant woman is in jeopardy, or, when there are medical complications that would lead to an unviable neo-nat or medical technology isn't sufficient to give a quality of life or that would improve a successful survival rate.


Here are some examples of medical complications

Ectocopic pregnancies
Placental abruption
Harlequin-type ichthyosis
Spina bifida
Fetal Alcohol Syndrome


And these are but a few. The good news is, as better medical technology is brought forward, the need for abortion in these cases decreases. Just like we no longer need to use leeches to draw blood or lock up people with leprosy in communes, we could make abortion a lesser occurance with proper technologies and preventives (contraceptions, getting tubes tied or vasectomies).

Do you see the evangelical movement rushing to push and invest funds in such technologies? No. You will see them waste money in campaigns and videos that, while decrying the practice of abortion, do nothing except try to shame women and brings society back to the bronze age.

You will see the evangelical movement waste time at pickets, rather than volunteer in hospitals. You will see them do everything to boast that their way is the right way, while the results speak for themselves.

If the evangelical movement did put it's money where it's big mouth was, we would have cured cancer by now.

Thomas Louw said...

@ Taxandrian.

The baby that dies goes to heaven. This is the best explanation for this view.

http://web.gty.org/resources/Sermon+Series/269

I also visited your blog’s, those I’m allowed to visit. Evidently you are a very well informed person. So I believe you already knew the answer to this question.

Without putting words in your mouth I think I know where you going with this question.

Your follow up question would be.
If they go to heaven why stop their mothers from killing them?
Well firstly. We as Christians do not have that choice. We cannot just say ok all babies that are unborn are going to heaven so let us leave them to die a cruel death and save their souls. Murder is wrong and it attacks the law of God. We must protect the helpless children.

Secondly we not only concerned with the unborn child and the keeping of the law but, also with the parents.

We want to help both the parents and the children. We also stop someone from becoming a murderer when we stop abortion.

oncewasblind said...

Which is worse Trish? A woman who aborts her baby, or a God who burns people in fiery torment for all eternity? Hitler's ovens went out, but according to Christianity, God's ovens will burn forever. What kind of mindgames you must be capable of, in order to believe in a loving God who is also a sadistic torturer!

Guinevere said...

Serious question. Is there really such a thing as an 'abortion clinic'? The only places I am aware of conducting abortions also provide other services. How do you know women going into a clinic are going to have an abortion? Maybe she was having a D&C for her dead baby. Maybe she was going in for an pre-natal exam. How can you possibly know? I'm very curious about this, genuinely.

I miscarried a child recently and, while I had a natural miscarriage, the doctors discussed bringing me in for a D&C. That's sometimes medically necessary due to complications from miscarriage for some people. I can only imagine someone attacking me during that trying time. That would be the furthest thing from Christian love I can imagine (as a Christian myself). So I'm very curious how you approach such a thing knowing that what you're doing is the right thing, that you are saving a life rather than forming a stumbling block.