tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post4430074955829220102..comments2023-08-08T06:45:13.513-07:00Comments on Fish With Trish: Trish, The Way of the Master Radio and Jim McGhee (Catholic Priest)Fish With Trishhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04278929770287008838noreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-5685012013993967882008-09-26T12:43:00.000-07:002008-09-26T12:43:00.000-07:00From my understanding of the arguements, it seems ...From my understanding of the arguements, it seems that it is Christians arguing with Christians. Shouldn't we be working together? I don't agree with every thing the Catholic Church teaches(well, most of it), but hey, we're all the Body of Christ, just different parts of the body. Just a thought...beencalledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05897246279229087741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-25500501140939250382008-07-04T23:17:00.000-07:002008-07-04T23:17:00.000-07:00Melanie,The catholics have "preserved" the word of...Melanie,<BR/><BR/><B>The catholics have "preserved" the word of God by chaining it to the pulpit and keeping it from the people.</B><BR/><BR/>Catholics didn't chain Bibles to keep them from the people; they chained Bibles to prevent them from being stolen, so they could be available to the people. Before the invention of the printing press, most people couldn't afford to have their own personal copy of Sacred Scripture. Bibles were meticulously hand copied and filled with detailed artwork. The pages were covered with intricate and delicate gold designs. Those Bibles were precious and very expensive. The equivalent value today would probably be around $20,000. If your church paid $20,000 for a Bible, would you leave it on the front porch, or would you keep it under lock and key? In the liturgy, the Catholic Church reads from Sacred Scripture daily. If the Church had not chained Bibles, then the people would not have been able to hear God's Word proclaimed every day in worship. The chains were necessary to safeguard Scripture for the people. <BR/><BR/><B>God is *really* the one that preserves His word, not man.</B><BR/><BR/>I agree. The real question though is, <I>how</I> does God preserve His Word? The answer is through His Church. God uses His people to accomplish His will. Jesus did not hand a complete copy of the Bible to the Apostles before His ascension. He gave the Apostles authority(Matt. 18:18) and sent the Holy Spirit to guide them(John 16:13). The Apostles passed on this authority to their successors(2 Tim. 2:2), and the Holy Spirit guided their successors to assemble and preserve the Holy Bible. God could have chosen any number of different ways to give us Scripture, but the fact is, He chose to use His Church, the Catholic Church, to preserve His Word and give it to His people.<BR/><BR/><B>You might win the battle, but you lose the war.</B><BR/><BR/>You are not my enemy. I am not at war with you, or anyone else on this blog. I believe that you, like most Protestants, simply misunderstand Catholic teaching, and my aim is to give you the truth about the Catholic Church. My prayer is that you and everyone on this blog will give serious thought to what I have written, and that the Holy Spirit will move you to investigate the claims of the Catholic Church and discover the Truth.<BR/><BR/>God bless you!amontoyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08908785869597474981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-46221469197681885842008-07-04T12:26:00.000-07:002008-07-04T12:26:00.000-07:00amontoya, there are so many things wrong with so m...amontoya, there are so many things wrong with so many of the things that you have written, but the catolics have "preserved" the word of God by chaining it to the pulpit and keeping it from the people. And incidentally, God is *really* the one that preserves His word, not man. You elevate a church above the word of God, and you might win the battle, but you lose the war. Grace and peace to you.Melanie https://www.blogger.com/profile/13261035384069567463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-83717194782266487232008-06-13T17:53:00.000-07:002008-06-13T17:53:00.000-07:00Some Catholic doctrines that are in agreement with...Some Catholic doctrines that <I>are</I> in agreement with Scripture:<BR/><BR/>1. Infallibility of the Pope; Matt. 16:18-19, John 16:13<BR/>2. Purgatory; 1 Cor. 3:15, Rev. 21:27, Matt. 5:26<BR/>3. Assumption of Mary; Genesis 5:24, 2 Kings 2:11, Rev. 12<BR/>4. Transubstantiation; Matt. 26:26, Mark 14:22, Luke 22:19, John 6:32-58, 1 Cor. 11:24<BR/>5. Grace through Sacraments; John 3:5, John 6:54, Acts 8:17, Matt. 19:6, Matt. 18:18, John 20:23, James 5:14-15<BR/>6. Infallibility of the Church; Matt. 18:18, John 16:13, 1 Tim. 3:15<BR/>7. Veneration of Saints; Luke 2:48, Hebrews 12:1, Rev. 8:4<BR/>8. Sacred Tradition; 2 Thess. 2:15, 2 Tim. 2:2<BR/><BR/>If the Catholic Church was false "from the beginning" then that would mean that Jesus founded a false Church. If the Catholic Church was false, then no Christian could trust the Bible, since it is the Catholic Church that assembled, preserved, and passed on the Bible for hundreds of years. Even Martin Luther admitted this: "We are obliged to yield many things to the Papists (Catholics) that they possess the Word of God which we received from them, otherwise we should have known nothing at all about it." A false church would not be able to preserve the Word of God.<BR/><BR/>Gal. 1:8-9: It was the Protestants that began teaching different doctrines(sola scriptura, sola fide). Those doctrines were never taught by the Christian Church before the 16th century.<BR/><BR/>It is the Catholic Church that has stood firm in the teachings passed on by word of mouth or letter, (2Thess. 2:15).<BR/><BR/>God bless you!amontoyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08908785869597474981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-62083816287664916512008-06-13T11:15:00.000-07:002008-06-13T11:15:00.000-07:00Some doctrines held by the Catholic Church that ar...Some doctrines held by the Catholic Church that are not in agreement with Scripture:<BR/><BR/>1. Infallibility of the Pope<BR/>2. Purgatory<BR/>3. Assumption of Mary<BR/>4. Transubstantiation<BR/>5. Grace through sacraments<BR/>6. Infallibility of the Church<BR/>7. Veneration of Angels and Saints<BR/><BR/>The Bible says:<BR/>2 John 1:9 'Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.'<BR/><BR/>The Roman Catholic is not an apostate Church. It is a FALSE church because it was never true from the beginning. It is the Whore of Babylon that has seduced people into believing its lies to their own destruction.<BR/><BR/>The Doctrine, History and Practices of the Roman Catholic Church are damnable by God Himself. (Gal 1:8-9, 2 Thess 2:11-12). Just these things alone tell us how bad this cult really is.<BR/><BR/>Sadly there are a lot of people that have been duped by this false wicked cult.<BR/><BR/>To Amontoya, I pray you repent from your damnable heresy. If you refuse truth - you embrace error to your own destruction.Jhay Phoenixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12968188323825545684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-24023646048799510982008-04-20T12:01:00.000-07:002008-04-20T12:01:00.000-07:00Spiffy,In rereading my last comment to you, I real...Spiffy,<BR/><BR/>In rereading my last comment to you, I realize I sounded kind of harsh in characterizing your belief, though I believe I am factually correct it still does sound harsh and I apologize to you for that. <BR/><BR/>God bless you. I appreciate your prayers and will keep you in my prayers. <BR/><BR/><BR/>J Jacques, <BR/><BR/>This is an interesting question and can be answered different ways but I'd like to take a stab at it. <BR/><BR/>That the Bible fell into your hands is obviously the hand of Divine Providence, who arranged for you to be there just when and where a Bible would land, in your own language. Thus, He is calling you and you may be sure he will continue to provide you with all the helps you need to follow His will.<BR/><BR/>Example from the Bible, Acts 8: 26-40 (sorry I can't provide the direct link so I'll paraphrase), where an angel sends a man named Philip to go to a desert road. There he meets up with an Ethiopian eunuch who is reading Isaiah. He asks him "Do you understand what you are reading?", and the Ehiopian replies "How can I unless someone guides me?" And Philip explains it to him. <BR/><BR/>So if you trust in God and follow His will, He will send people to help you. <BR/><BR/>There is more I'd like to say about this but I'll stop here for now. <BR/>I look forward to reading other replies.Mahsheedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01545955641528549877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-76728669241421111862008-04-20T04:09:00.000-07:002008-04-20T04:09:00.000-07:00Javier,Your questions have been answered; though m...Javier,<BR/><BR/>Your questions have been answered; though maybe not to your satisfaction.<BR/><BR/><B>Under the new covenant any man caught bowing, kissing, 'adoring' a statue was threatened by death. As a Roman Catholic if you lived under the old covenant and were caught 'venerating' Mary, would the excuse "Its only dulia and not latria" mean anything to The Jews?</B><BR/><BR/>1) Catholics don't adore statues. 2) As a Roman Catholic I'm under the New Covenant in Jesus' blood, not the Old; so the whole question is irrelevent. 3) The terms dulia and latria came to mean two distinct forms of service due to people or God in the fourth century; so no those terms wouldn't have the same meaning for Old Covenant Jews. However, the Jewish people did have terms that distinguished between honor of people and worship of God; so they would (and did) understand the difference between veneration and adoration.<BR/><BR/><B>The woman suffers from pain in birth, this is a curse of original sin given to Eve in Genesis. If Mary was sinless, why is she suffering birth pains?</B> <BR/><BR/>The woman in Revelation 12 represents more than one person. It is Mary, Eve, Isreal, and the Church. Mary did not suffer birth pains, just as the Church did not give birth to Jesus Christ. <BR/><BR/><B>It seems that there is no 'unanimous consent' of the Fathers, and the majority opinion seems to indicate the PROTESTANT position.</B><BR/><BR/>Please, give names and quotes from these Fathers who supposedly held Protestant opinions.<BR/><BR/><B>Secondly, so what if the text establishes Peter as 'the rock' we know later Peter wasn't infallible, didn't preside over any council, instead it was James who seems to in Acts.</B><BR/><BR/>1) Most Protestants believe, but probably won't admit, that Peter acted with infallibilty on AT LEAST two occasions. Namely, when he wrote First and Second Peter. He was guided by the Holy Spirit to write those letters without error, which means he was infallible. 2) At the Council of Jerusalem in Acts, it was Peter who spoke and ended the debate; but presiding over councils, doesn't determine whether or not Peter was given authority. Peter was given the "keys of the kingdom of heaven." In Old Testament times the key to the city was a symbol of authority. A walled city would generally have one gate with one key. To be given a key to the city, meant to be given free access to and authority over that city. This can be found elsewhere in the Bible: Is. 22:22, Rev. 1:18. This symbolism was not lost on the Apostles or the early Church.<BR/><BR/><B>Thirdly, where is Papal Infallibility? A Succession of Popes established in this text?</B><BR/><BR/>1) "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." Matt. 16:19. Peter is given authority to bind and loose, and his actions are not only effective here on earth, but also in heaven. If this is not implying infallibility, then that means that Peter could potentially bind or loose error in heaven. 2) Christ said He would build His Church on Peter. Christ made Peter the leader and servant of His Church on earth by giving him the keys and charging him with the care of his flock(John 21:15-17). This is obviously an ongoing task, because His flock continues to need feeding. Like Peter said when quoting the Psalms, "May another take his place of leadership," Acts 1:20.<BR/><BR/><B>So, now that a Roman Catholic apologist admits that the Pope didn't bring uniformity in theology, how can you be consistent and argue that somehow scripture hasn't?</B><BR/><BR/>1) The Catholic Church has uniformity in Doctrine. This can be found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. These doctrines and dogmas are to be believed by all Catholics. The fact that some people reject Catholic teaching, doesn't mean that the Majesterium failed to teach uniformly and authoritatively. 2) The problem with Sola Scriptura isn't with Scripture itself. Scripture is inerrant. The problem is with the idea that everyone should interpret the Bible for his or her self. This makes everyone their own pope. This idea has led to thousands of Protestant denominations. There is no authority, whatsoever. <BR/><BR/>Let me ask you. If everyone should interpret the Bible for his or her self, why should I accept your opinion, that my interpretation, is wrong? Especially since my interpretation leads me to believe the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Jesus Christ. According to Sola Scriptura, everyone's interpretive opinion is equally valid. Who are you to tell me I'm wrong? <BR/><BR/>There is a serious flaw in the idea of Sola Scriptura. If two people come to completely opposing interpretations of one passage, one must be right and one must be wrong, correct? For example, Matthew 26:26. My interpretation is that the bread really is Jesus's Body. A common Protestant interpretation is that He is speaking symbolically. Both interpretations can't be right, and Scripture can't teach error; so there must be an authority to decide which is correct. Where is this authority in Sola Scriptura? There is none.<BR/><BR/>God bless you!amontoyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08908785869597474981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-35508093562975550042008-04-19T21:00:00.000-07:002008-04-19T21:00:00.000-07:00Amontoya,If you can please defend my arguments aga...Amontoya,<BR/><BR/>If you can please defend my arguments against the Papacy, and Marian dogmas. Thanks.<BR/><BR/>I'm still waiting for an answer. :)Javierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10109941427897983854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-47347740608336020682008-04-19T17:09:00.000-07:002008-04-19T17:09:00.000-07:00Sorry, double entrySorry, double entryJJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09016598910055060585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-45213253510980995712008-04-19T17:06:00.000-07:002008-04-19T17:06:00.000-07:00To All:I have a question for everyone to ponder, a...To All:<BR/><BR/>I have a question for everyone to ponder, a hypothetical if you will. I live in a third world country that has no religion at all and no way of communication with the outside world. I am walking down a road one day and I find a Bible that probobly fell out of an airplane laying on the side of the road that just happens to be in my language. In this Bible, where would I look to find out how to become a catholic or any other denomination for that matter? Secondly, how do I contact the church to find out the latest doctrinal teachings?JJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09016598910055060585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-74761664378293272572008-04-19T16:54:00.000-07:002008-04-19T16:54:00.000-07:00To all:I have a question, a hypothetical if you wi...To all:<BR/><BR/>I have a question, a hypothetical if you will. Let's say I'm in a third world country that doesn't practice religion and is shut off from the rest of the world. I'm walking along the road one day and I find a copy of the Bible that fell out of an airplane and just happens to be in my language. Where would I read in that Bible on how to become catholic or any other religion for that matter and how would I contact the Vatican to get the latest doctrine taught by the RCC?JJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09016598910055060585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-47296350470104627212008-04-17T23:09:00.000-07:002008-04-17T23:09:00.000-07:00Mahsheed,Sorry, no I don't have a blog, but thank ...Mahsheed,<BR/><BR/>Sorry, no I don't have a blog, but thank you for the encouragement!amontoyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08908785869597474981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-32641698791201325002008-04-17T21:18:00.000-07:002008-04-17T21:18:00.000-07:00I think I've achieved my purpose, as some other pr...I think I've achieved my purpose, as some other protestants have here, to make it clear that catholics and protestants do not believe the same thing, especially in terms of salvation, the authority of scripture, whether or not mary should be worshiped(venerated, or whatever other euphemism you want to try), so that debating further becomes rather unproductive.<BR/><BR/>We've established that we're not only not on the same page, we don't even agree on the book. I hope and pray for your salvation. I won't be replying anymore, thanks again.<BR/><BR/>SpiffyKid Icarushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05819001011618801720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-40793557813956368962008-04-17T20:15:00.000-07:002008-04-17T20:15:00.000-07:00Hi Gang,From this point on if you are going to pos...Hi Gang,<BR/><BR/>From this point on if you are going to post a comment please do not include a link or website address. We will not be posting any comments that include links or websites of any sort (unless it is for a free give a way that we do periodically and you need to submit your info as a means for us to contact you).<BR/><BR/>Thank you for understanding!<BR/><BR/>TrishFish With Trishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04278929770287008838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-63347557058726368902008-04-17T18:06:00.000-07:002008-04-17T18:06:00.000-07:00Being part of the Body of Christ is not about bein...Being part of the Body of Christ is not about being part of a congregation or community, but about being united with Jesus. The thief was certainly united with and saved by Jesus Christ. Ephesians 5:23 teaches that Christ is the Savior of the Church which is His Body. <BR/><BR/>If "the bogus argument is accurate," then why should I accept your or John MacArthur's opinions about Scripture? If I read my Bible and come to the same conclusions that the Catholic Church teaches, why should I trust your opinion that my interpretation is wrong?<BR/><BR/>Nothing about Galileo or the Crusades is a matter of Catholic Dogma. Galileo was judged by a disciplinary tribunal, and that judgement was not declared to be a doctrine that must be believed by all the faithful. The Church issued a non-infallible disciplinary ruling regarding a scientist who was advocating a new unproven theory and demanding that the Church change its understanding of Scripture to fit his views. The Church acknowledging today that Galileo's condemnation was wrong does not constitute a change of doctrine. The Crusades are also not a matter of doctrine or dogma. The Crusades were attempts to reclaim Holy Lands and repel Muslim invaders. Unfortunately, people sometimes do horrible things in war. This is evidenced in many wars before and since the Crusades. The Church admits that atrocities were committed, but those crimes were not the mission of the crusaders. This does not constitute a change in Catholic doctrine or dogma.<BR/><BR/>Please give us this list that you claim shows Popes reversing Catholic doctrines.<BR/><BR/>God bless you!amontoyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08908785869597474981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-63318580702024533282008-04-17T09:52:00.000-07:002008-04-17T09:52:00.000-07:00No one said the second vatican changed that. The ...No one said the second vatican changed that. The point is that the catholic church is changing it's doctrine all of the time, just like it's adopted various pagan holidays and traditions in the past. It's not a solid rock in any way, shape or form.<BR/><BR/>Actually, protestants do not teach that. The thief on the cross was not a member of a congregation, and lumping us altogether is pretty problematic.<BR/><BR/>The bogus argument is accurate. This is myself or john macarthur's opinion. In the case of catholicism, it is "the only correct way to interpret scripture." <BR/><BR/>It's a power grab, only they can tell you what the bible means, etc. In other words, it gives fallen man(who inhabits the false catholic church) authority over the word of God, as you must always go with this fallen institution of man over what you think the word of God says, as only they know for sure.<BR/><BR/>They actually had a list once of the dozens of decrees the church has reversed itself on(one pope reversed another pope). I am quite sure you are aware of this, so I hope you are not being willfully dishonest in acting like you are not.<BR/><BR/>But we can talk about two major ones: galileo and the crusades. The church admitted they were wrong on their positions on both at a later time.<BR/><BR/>The catholic church is about as solid as a bowl of soup.Kid Icarushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05819001011618801720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-71243870248061286762008-04-17T07:13:00.000-07:002008-04-17T07:13:00.000-07:00Hello Amontoya, welcome back! Do you have a websi...Hello Amontoya, welcome back! Do you have a website or blog? <BR/><BR/>And Kacy, you're testimony was inspiring.<BR/><BR/>Spiffy,<BR/><BR/>If you read the source document you'll find that is not what the Holy Father said. I find your comment puzzling. You have no problem calling the Catholic Church false so why does it bother you that the Catholic Church makes truth claims? Note the Pope isn't saying you have to be Catholic to be saved. He is simply stating that the fullness of truth resides in the Catholic faith. If this claim is still too offensive to you, then what about your belief that means that over 5 billion people on the planet right now, including all the Jews (Jesus's own people) and all the virtuous non-Christians who you acknowledge exist, and all the people who never heard of Christ, the people who lived in Old Testament times, and the billion Catholics and 250 million Eastern Orthodox are all going to Hell because they don't believe the same as you do. This belief doesn't bother you and make you wonder about God's justice, so long as you get yours (actually mercy for you and justice for others)? And you don't have to be particularly good in any way shape or form? Because that smacks of works righteousness. Have you ever noticed that this is how atheists characterize our religion. <BR/><BR/>Which brings me to another point, if what you say is correct, then the early Christians should be more like you. The Eastern Orthodox broke away in 1054, centuries before Martin Luther, so by your logic the Eastern Christians (whose center was not Rome) should have more in common with you. Surprise surprise they are actually very catholic with 7 sacraments and revering of Mary, the Theotokos. Not much change in doctrine over a thousand years. How do you explain that? Whereas Protestantism has broken off into 30,000 denominations and still counting.<BR/><BR/>What is your understanding of the Trinity?<BR/><BR/>I'm not so much interested in Mormonism to debate it further but the connection has been noted by others. There are even <A HREF="http://www.utlm.org/booklist/titles/josephsmithandmuhammad_xb183.htm" REL="nofollow">books</A> on this topic.<BR/><BR/>God Bless.Mahsheedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01545955641528549877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-18356661679624817012008-04-17T00:05:00.000-07:002008-04-17T00:05:00.000-07:00Spiffy the Basset,Please provide us this list of P...Spiffy the Basset,<BR/><BR/>Please provide us this list of Papal Decrees that reversed Catholic Dogma. <BR/><BR/>The Second Vatican Council did not change the teaching that there is no salvation outside the Church. Protestants also teach this doctrine, but word it differently. Protestants teach that there is no salvation outside the Body of Christ. The Body of Christ is the Church. So, the real point of contention here is not whether or not there is salvation outside the Church, but what constitutes the Church.<BR/><BR/>If the "idea of authority is completely bogus," then what is your basis for condemning Catholic interpretation of Sacred Scripture? If Scripture Alone is all that is necessary, then anyone should be able to pick up a Bible, read it, and interpret it for themselves. If we do not need an authoritative interpreter, then why do we need you or John MacArthur telling us the "correct" interpretation?<BR/><BR/>God bless you!amontoyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08908785869597474981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-9966280299306589412008-04-16T20:28:00.000-07:002008-04-16T20:28:00.000-07:00Actually, mormonism doesn't. It's not monotheisti...Actually, mormonism doesn't. It's not monotheistic, for instance, as they can all become gods one day. The point is that catholicism has been like an amoeba, absorbing various pagan religions and cults since its inception.<BR/><BR/>This whole idea of "authority" is completely bogus. It boils down to the same thing that other cults boil down to: "you can't trust the scripture alone, so here's this other book/tradition to tell you how to interpret it." <BR/><BR/>In catholicism, it's church tradition, which is constantly changing(this is why your rock comment was rather bizarre... vatican 2 anyone?) and apostolic succession(also known as a power grab - only we can tell you what the bible and God wants).<BR/><BR/>I'm sure you do believe being gay is not sinful itself, which is my point, that you do not share the same values as us. <BR/><BR/>The bible teaches with authority and provides the intellectual basis for the entire pro-life position. John Macarthur did an excellent exposition on this several years ago, and didn't need to rely on catholic doctrine at all.<BR/><BR/>Mormons are very pro-life. What you are saying is that mormonism cannot be false because their doctrine says you must be pro-life(and they are also very moral in terms of family values, children, and marriage). <BR/><BR/>Islam didn't copy prayer beads from Christianity. Such things are nowhere in scripture. Ironically, islam and catholicism both adopted these things.<BR/><BR/>The mainstream media? Are you denying that the pope recently said that all other churches are false churches? Give me a break, man, why was excommunication so terrible for people historically? Because the belief was that there was no salvation outside of the catholic church(nevermind that Jesus fellow who died on the cross for all mankind).<BR/><BR/>I'm sort of blown away by the idea that because catholicism is pro-life it must therefore be the truth. But then again, we are talking about a belief system that says works are what saves us.Kid Icarushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05819001011618801720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-69380941888356387702008-04-16T16:34:00.000-07:002008-04-16T16:34:00.000-07:00Spiffy, Again it's not about what social positions...Spiffy, <BR/><BR/>Again it's not about what social positions are subscribed to today but about teaching authority. The point is that when you think pro-life, you think "Catholic Church". This is because the Catholic Church teaches with authority and provides the intellectual basis for the entire pro-life position. No other church or denomination can make this claim. And this is simply not possible if the Catholic Church is false.<BR/><BR/>Since you bring it up, actually Mormonism has much in common with Islam. <BR/><BR/>I read the link you provided. Has it not occurred to you that Islam <I>copied</I> Christianity? And Islam was founded in the 7th century by Mohammed, centuries before your denomination would come into existence so naturally it is more influenced by the Catholic tradition.<BR/><BR/>The reason I said "homosexual acts" is that we believe being gay is not sinful in itself, but acting on it is. "Acting on it" includes sinful thoughts. If you're interested I can provide you with links, just let me know. <BR/><BR/>Now about the popecomments link, notice that these are all reports from the mainstream media on the document. It's unclear to me what your point is, please clarify. <BR/>If you want to know what he really said, you will have to <A HREF="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070629_responsa-quaestiones_en.html" REL="nofollow">read the source document, here</A>.<BR/><BR/>A pertinent quote:<BR/>"It follows that these separated churches and Communities, though we believe they suffer from defects, are deprived neither of significance nor importance in the mystery of salvation. In fact the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as instruments of salvation, whose value derives from that fullness of grace and of truth which has been entrusted to the Catholic Church."Mahsheedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01545955641528549877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-64794643180735688972008-04-15T14:10:00.000-07:002008-04-15T14:10:00.000-07:00Actually, I may have exaggerated a bit. I read a ...Actually, I may have exaggerated a bit. I read a list once of all the times the catholic "solid as a rock" church has reversed itself by papal decrees etc. It may be more like several dozen.<BR/><BR/>I love this link<BR/>http://www.popecomments.com/2007/07/10/<BR/><BR/>I love to hear the pope, the infallible head of the catholic church, say that all other churches are false. I wish he'd make more comments like this so we protestants wouldn't have to educate each other as to the fundamental differences between the false catholic church and biblical churches.Kid Icarushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05819001011618801720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-82550223178759135402008-04-15T12:16:00.000-07:002008-04-15T12:16:00.000-07:00The solid rock who's popes have have contradicted ...The solid rock who's popes have have contradicted themselves literally hundreds, if not thousands, of times over the centuries.<BR/><BR/>The catholic church is about as stable as a sponge. It regularly absorbs local pagan traditions in order to gain members(prayer beads, all hallows eve, the worship of mary which was taken from the goddess isis.)Kid Icarushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05819001011618801720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-49246920596453382672008-04-15T08:49:00.000-07:002008-04-15T08:49:00.000-07:00Fr. Jim did a good job defending Catholic teaching...Fr. Jim did a good job defending Catholic teaching. Unfortunatelly the beauty and thrill of orthodox teaching is not such that can be summerized in a short radio segment. I wish the people would have been more respectful to Fr. Jim and let him finish what he was stating. Salvation is not an either/or issue. The question is not either grace or works. James shoes us that BOTH are necessary for salvation in fact as a former Protestant I could not figure out how to reconcile James 2:24 with the idea of justification by faith alone:<BR/><BR/>"You see a man is justified by works and not by faith alone."<BR/><BR/>Also, it is important that Catholics interpret the Bible through the lense of tradition and the Church. Without a solid foundation Sacred Scripture becomes open to an interpretation free-for-all. This is why there are so many splits within Protestantism. Everyone wants to interpret the Bible in his or her own way, but there can only be one true interpretation. God does not wish to leave us to the wolves, and thus He has given us the Church to show us how to understand the Bible. The Holy Spirit has always led and guided the Church in this manner.<BR/><BR/>In a certain sense The Way of the Master people are acting as a type of Protestant pope by defining "orthodox" teaching to their listeners. Why should I trust this pope instead of Our Holy Father in Rome? Why should I trust an ecclesial authority that's only 300 years old instead of trusting one whose claim to authority goes all the way back to Christ saying to Peter, "on this Rock I will build my Church."<BR/><BR/>A building is only as solid as the foundation it is built upon. This is why I left the sandy foundation of my Baptist upbringin for the solid rock of the Catholic Church.Kacyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14944011180040969571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-87121977508565858732008-04-14T20:22:00.000-07:002008-04-14T20:22:00.000-07:00That's what mormons believe. you seem to be sayin...That's what mormons believe. you seem to be saying that moral issues should trump fundamental issues like the sanctity of scripture, mary as a codemptrix, etc.<BR/><BR/>And they certainly don't have the same view as protestants on such issues as divorce(annulment anyone?)<BR/><BR/>Everyone notice he just said "homosexual acts." In other words, throw out what Christ said about the lust itself being a sin(matthew 5:28).<BR/><BR/>Two things:<BR/>1. The catholic church does in fact not sure all moral stances with conservative protestants.<BR/><BR/>2.Even if they do, this means no more than when mormons do.<BR/><BR/>I'd encourage you to read those links I posted.Kid Icarushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05819001011618801720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3329408579460570583.post-75858685076400964112008-04-14T18:49:00.000-07:002008-04-14T18:49:00.000-07:00Spiffy,"Regardless, morals don't save someone. The...Spiffy,<BR/><BR/>"Regardless, morals don't save someone. There's plenty of nice people that are lost."<BR/><BR/>It's about even knowing what is right and wrong, in other words, the teaching authority.<BR/><BR/>If the Catholic Church were evil, it would be so easy, oh so easy for her to preach that abortion/contraception/premarital sex/adultery/divorce/homosexual acts/euthanasia/cloning/embryonic stem cell research are just fine and dandy. These are after all, bad things that most committed Christians are on board about. But, it was the Catholic Church that promulgated these teachings in the first place and provides the intellectual basis for these views.Mahsheedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01545955641528549877noreply@blogger.com